I don't think the mods are doing anything wrong, really. I haven't been coming here lately because I've taken more of an interest in the C&C and I've recently gotten Flash. Nothing to do with the mods, I just haven't felt like visiting the place in a while.

You guys are doing a fine job. Older users leave, maybe the newer ones just don't have that good topic ideas, or just can't express themselves without being banned. Either way, I can't exactly press the blame on you guys.

Maybe my answer might change while I spend more time here for the next couple of weeks or so, but I don't think so.

Psst, Jonas, that means you can expect to be hearing a lot more Disturbed references than usual. ;-)

Thanks for getting on this point, Jonas. I hate to see good, respectable users of the BBS leave. Hell, B4gle has been talking about leaving General.

Firstly, the Mods must be fuedless. See, some people have been making PM's claiming that the Moderation must be taken out.

Secondly, we need our own Operation Bring Back Snacks (Sorry for breaking Rules One and Two.). But We need moar Original content along with better and less-shitty threads.

Thirdly, Newfag control. I'm getting tired of these Newfags thinking that they're all that. Me and a force of trolls has been trying to give them an ultimate Reality check. But our Reform or Leave Tactic usually fails.

Thanks.

The "mandatory" 1-day ban for posting in a spam thread is bullshit.

Along with "backseat modding". Is it really fair that someone gets fired for asking a co-worker to quit slacking off and do his job?

At 6/2/09 11:12 PM, DM692 wrote: The "mandatory" 1-day ban for posting in a spam thread is bullshit.

Along with "backseat modding". Is it really fair that someone gets fired for asking a co-worker to quit slacking off and do his job?

you are welcome to PM any one of us if you see something that appears to be overlooked. to use your example correctly it would be more like standing up in the middle of lunch, announcing that the security officer is not doing his job and that he should take a specific action against somebody who was doing something wrong to everyone around except him.

the destroy feature, as some have mentioned could be used less, but the way it is supposed to work is that we delete the posts that aren't breaking any rules/contributing to the spam, and then destroying the thread. If you got that ban from a thread I had destroyed, chances are you were still breaking the rules in that thread and your offense was not simply posting in it.

At 6/2/09 11:08 PM, igott wrote: Thanks for getting on this point, Jonas. I hate to see good, respectable users of the BBS leave. Hell, B4gle has been talking about leaving General.

Then we should clearly define what a "good" user is.

:But We need moar Original content along with better and less-shitty threads.

Again, what makes a thread good and original besides being worthy of discussion? I've seen many good and original threads be ignored in favor of someone telling the BBS how to deal with common medical poblems.

Thirdly, Newfag control. I'm getting tired of these Newfags thinking that they're all that. Me and a force of trolls has been trying to give them an ultimate Reality check. But our Reform or Leave Tactic usually fails.

I'm all for Newfag control.

I have read every single post in this thread and I have also rolled my eyes so many times while reading those posts, that my eyes have fallen out of my skull at least 30,000 times....

VAGUE INSINUATIONS, BLATANT EXAGGERATIONS AND OUTRIGHT BULLSHIT PLAGUE THIS THREAD.

It is SOOOO easy for a butthurt user to post inaccurate shit and have other butthurt users accept it as gospel fact automatically and spread more bullshit. I am tempted to pull the ban records of all the users that claim to have been slighted and post those records publicly. After all, this is an open discussion right?

The casual lurker would lol heartily if I were to do so. The results are truly laughable, I assure you.

Actually I just may do so, just to prove a point.

Standby...

lol

At 6/3/09 01:09 AM, EyeLovePoozy wrote:

Standby...

lol

You're welcome to post mine if you want. I don't have anything to hide, but then I'm not one of the ones making accusations.

At 6/2/09 11:26 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 6/2/09 11:08 PM, igott wrote: Thanks for getting on this point, Jonas. I hate to see good, respectable users of the BBS leave. Hell, B4gle has been talking about leaving General.

Then we should clearly define what a "good" user is.

An experienced user of the BBS that has put precious time into Newgrounds, they use good grammar, have put two cents in mature threads, and clearly understand the goings of the BBS and the rules.

But We need moar Original content along with better and less-shitty threads.

Again, what makes a thread good and original besides being worthy of discussion? I've seen many good and original threads be ignored in favor of someone telling the BBS how to deal with common medical poblems.

Then we should encourage posting in these threads. We can't fix anything without doing something about it.

Thirdly, Newfag control. I'm getting tired of these Newfags thinking that they're all that. Me and a force of trolls has been trying to give them an ultimate Reality check. But our Reform or Leave Tactic usually fails.

I'm all for Newfag control.

Amen to that.

Also, age checks would be nice.

At 6/3/09 01:14 AM, Gagsy wrote: You're welcome to post mine if you want. I don't have anything to hide, but then I'm not one of the ones making accusations.

You are one of the best posters we have on this BBS Gagsy my love.

No worries little mama, I'm talking about butthurt cunts that are lying and exaggerating....

At 6/3/09 01:29 AM, EyeLovePoozy wrote:

At 6/3/09 01:14 AM, Gagsy wrote: You're welcome to post mine if you want. I don't have anything to hide, but then I'm not one of the ones making accusations.

You are one of the best posters we have on this BBS Gagsy my love.

No worries little mama, I'm talking about butthurt cunts that are lying and exaggerating....

No kidding, I really want to see this list you're talking about. How many bans does HAYF have now?

At 6/3/09 01:38 AM, TheWhatsit wrote: No kidding, I really want to see this list you're talking about. How many bans does HAYF have now?

None of your fucking business. Go count how many hairs there are on your mom's twat and assume that number to be an accurate representation of the info you asked for.

At 6/3/09 01:22 AM, igott wrote:

At 6/2/09 11:26 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 6/2/09 11:08 PM, igott wrote:

Then we should encourage posting in these threads. We can't fix anything without doing something about it.

I agree, although that's easier said than done as soon as I realize I'll be the only one posting in such a thread along with other users who care. It looks bad when you see that out of 25 replies to a good thread, 20 are made by the same people trying to bump it back into the user-base consciousness which is made up of people who just want to hang out and have some laid back fun. However, "fun" shouldn't be considered as making poor PS threads and spam topics, which unfortunately for the most part is what it is.

Also, age checks would be nice.

Too easy to abuse, I think, unless the Mods or Admins themselves make it a priority to consistently check the ages for all of the incoming users. That, however, would appear to be a drain on an already stressed staff. It could work, yes, but by which method?

At 6/3/09 01:29 AM, EyeLovePoozy wrote:

You are one of the best posters we have on this BBS Gagsy my love.

No worries little mama, I'm talking about butthurt cunts that are lying and exaggerating....

You're not so bad yourself you know. Once you get past that ruggedly manly aggressive handsome exterior, I'm sure you're just a big softie.

the ngbbs is shit always has been always will be thank you and goodnight

At 6/3/09 01:55 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 6/3/09 01:22 AM, igott wrote:

At 6/2/09 11:26 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 6/2/09 11:08 PM, igott wrote:

Then we should encourage posting in these threads. We can't fix anything without doing something about it.

I agree, although that's easier said than done as soon as I realize I'll be the only one posting in such a thread along with other users who care. It looks bad when you see that out of 25 replies to a good thread, 20 are made by the same people trying to bump it back into the user-base consciousness which is made up of people who just want to hang out and have some laid back fun. However, "fun" shouldn't be considered as making poor PS threads and spam topics, which unfortunately for the most part is what it is.

Again, we encourage the userbase and incoming users to accept original content.

Also, age checks would be nice.

Too easy to abuse, I think, unless the Mods or Admins themselves make it a priority to consistently check the ages for all of the incoming users. That, however, would appear to be a drain on an already stressed staff. It could work, yes, but by which method?

Raise new moderators, a new staff member and a strong warning to the underage. Along with the userbase to not encourage the actions of these underage users, that will make them not feel welcome.

Change starts with us, not the moderators. If we encourage for a better tomorrow and take action, then maybe it will happen.

At 6/3/09 01:29 AM, EyeLovePoozy wrote: You are one of the best posters we have on this BBS Gagsy my love.

I tend to agree, Gagsy is good people...though apparently she just picks some really unfortunate topics to post in :-p

No worries little mama, I'm talking about butthurt cunts that are lying and exaggerating....

Yeah, honestly though, you guys don't even need their records brought up, some of these guys out themselves in just their userpage posts. As I've said over and over in this thread, it's not ridiculous to ask that the mod team be nicer to you, but if you want a nicer mod team that is more then happy to answer you're questions and deal with you're problems, you all need to be nicer to said mod team when expressing such problems. It goes both ways or you're going to reap what you sow.

At 5/31/09 11:27 AM, Luis wrote: The backseat modding thing is the one that gets me. I have never heard of a more absurd reason to ban people.

I've never really liked this rule, but because it was taken too far, rather than that it's generally a bad rule. A lot of the time I've spoken to users who have been banned for backseat modding for making a mere suggestion to a user, and I'm pretty sure that out of the five or six bans that I've had for that reason, one of them was extremely light. More than a few of them definitely didn't stick to the actual rule definition, that is "Backseat modding: pointing out what needs to be deleted, banned, locked or destroyed.". I don't believe that things like trying to instruct a mod to ban someone should slip, but it's definitely a rule that needs to be taken slightly less seriously.

At 5/31/09 04:05 PM, Twilight wrote: Pfft. I don't see shit,

ohyou.jpg

At 6/3/09 02:15 AM, igott wrote:

At 6/3/09 01:55 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Too easy to abuse, I think, unless the Mods or Admins themselves make it a priority to consistently check the ages for all of the incoming users. That, however, would appear to be a drain on an already stressed staff. It could work, yes, but by which method?

Raise new moderators, a new staff member and a strong warning to the underage. Along with the userbase to not encourage the actions of these underage users, that will make them not feel welcome.

Change starts with us, not the moderators. If we encourage for a better tomorrow and take action, then maybe it will happen.

Age verification is a difficult thing to do. First of all, how would we be able to tell if somebody is telling the truth or not? If the age standards were raised a couple of years, immature behavior would be easier to spot, but it won't be possible to take action on them, because I know tons of university students who act like they're in middle school.

The only surefire way of verifying age is to bring the age up to eighteen and asking for credit card verification in order to show you are old enough. This causes a problem because some people may not want to give out a credit card number, although I would trust NG. And a huge number of our visitors are under 18.

We can't check drivers licenses because it's easy enough to change that, plus, not everyone has one (for example: people in the city who don't own cars and use public transportation). All we can do is set an example of maturity which encourages those who may be underage to at least strive to act older than they are. That happens with the quality of posts on the forums. If the forum is rife with immature fart humor and childish bickering, well, that makes it easier for a truly immature individual to fit right in without detection, thus encouraging more to fit in as well.

If the forum has intelligent discussion and people ignore the childish antics of some to the point where they aren't being engaged, they will go away. Again, this happens at the userbase, as you have both pointed out. Be the change you want to see. (didn't ghandi say something like that?)

At 6/3/09 01:09 AM, EyeLovePoozy wrote:
Standby...

lol

Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle. The cow jumped over the moon
30k became 40k and the pulse of waylaid war progressed to ensue and consume
Insinuate to propagate the exaggerations we procreate in means to demonstrate the power and prowess we deem innate.
Keep the roll on around with your digits held down as you tic and you tak with a tap a tap tap the treats of your feats that roll down your way. Amazing and proud are the stains to a brow as the screams of the crowd do tumble on down and Pierce and Point your ears with insight and fear as you see with you eyes that the crowd is starting to drown.

At 6/3/09 02:15 AM, igott wrote:

At 6/3/09 01:55 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 6/3/09 01:22 AM, igott wrote:

At 6/2/09 11:26 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 6/2/09 11:08 PM, igott wrote:

Raise new moderators, a new staff member and a strong warning to the underage. Along with the userbase to not encourage the actions of these underage users, that will make them not feel welcome.

This I can see as a good solution; not too much on the overhaul of the current staff and moderators, yet not too lenient on the underage users.

Change starts with us, not the moderators. If we encourage for a better tomorrow and take action, then maybe it will happen.

Amen.

At 6/3/09 02:31 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 6/3/09 02:15 AM, igott wrote:

At 6/3/09 01:55 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 6/3/09 01:22 AM, igott wrote:

At 6/2/09 11:26 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 6/2/09 11:08 PM, igott wrote:

Raise new moderators, a new staff member and a strong warning to the underage. Along with the userbase to not encourage the actions of these underage users, that will make them not feel welcome.

This I can see as a good solution; not too much on the overhaul of the current staff and moderators, yet not too lenient on the underage users.

Yeah, if we do not respect the underage users, then we find it easy to do this. Like on the last day of school, this 6th grader, maybe 11 or 12, yelled out 'NEWGROUNDS RULES!' I gave him a warning and a stern explaining why he shouldn't be on the site. I got money he didn't listen.

Change starts with us, not the moderators. If we encourage for a better tomorrow and take action, then maybe it will happen.

Amen.

It could work if we all did something about it.

get rid of post counts

Mods need the power to sticky topics. Especially in Audio, Flash, and Programming.

This is a no-brainer.

At 6/3/09 02:20 AM, mwmike wrote:

At 5/31/09 11:27 AM, Luis wrote: The backseat modding thing is the one that gets me. I have never heard of a more absurd reason to ban people.

I've never really liked this rule, but because it was taken too far, rather than that it's generally a bad rule. A lot of the time I've spoken to users who have been banned for backseat modding for making a mere suggestion to a user, and I'm pretty sure that out of the five or six bans that I've had for that reason, one of them was extremely light. More than a few of them definitely didn't stick to the actual rule definition, that is "Backseat modding: pointing out what needs to be deleted, banned, locked or destroyed.". I don't believe that things like trying to instruct a mod to ban someone should slip, but it's definitely a rule that needs to be taken slightly less seriously.

But if you know a thread is likely to be locked, deleted or destroyed, why would you post in it in the first place? Especially if the thread is going to result in a destroy and anyone who posted in it will be banned? It's like an act of sheer defiance of which you were fully aware yet still proceeded anyway, and to make matters worse you basically boasted about it before the thread was locked and/or deleted. It's an unnecessary form of smart-assery that could have otherwise been avoided easily.

Not to mention back seat modding is not appropriate at many times because the person doing it is wrong. A user might post "wrong forum" with a link to the Flash or VG forum when really the thread doesn't belong in either, it actually does belong in General. This can throw off a topic, derailing a prospectively decent discussion into a "your wrong, fuck off n00b" flamewar. Or it could mislead the op who then leaves the topic never to return, or who then decides to make the thread again in the wrong forum and now there are two identical threads, one of which is unnecessary and basically spam.

As the mods have stated many times, if you see a thread which you feel should be locked or deleted for violating the rules, send them a PM and do it coherently and in a non annoying manner. Many of them even have a message asking you to do so in their sig. Otherwise, we should leave the policing of the forums to those who actually know what they're doing and have the ability to do something about it. Also, if you have the ability to recognize a thread who's lifespan will be short, have the good sense to just leave it be. A +1 post isn't worth risking a ban.

I don't think I've ever seen a mod give out a warning before... If it's an obvious attempt at a flame or troll then yeah, ban them, but otherwise you need to be more specific. Having BBS rules open to read I think is pretty pointless. I mean, if you bought a new video game, how many of you would read the instruction manual? You wouldn't, you would just jump right in and get the feel for the controls yourself.

At 6/3/09 03:48 AM, crapatflash wrote: Having BBS rules open to read I think is pretty pointless. I mean, if you bought a new video game, how many of you would read the instruction manual? You wouldn't, you would just jump right in and get the feel for the controls yourself.

But the video game isn't going to suddenly lock you out for a few days for playing incorrectly.

At 6/3/09 03:56 AM, THEJamoke wrote:

At 6/3/09 03:48 AM, crapatflash wrote: Having BBS rules open to read I think is pretty pointless. I mean, if you bought a new video game, how many of you would read the instruction manual? You wouldn't, you would just jump right in and get the feel for the controls yourself.

But the video game isn't going to suddenly lock you out for a few days for playing incorrectly.

Pinball comes to mind. And as an avid reader of video game instruction manuals, my natural mindset is to say that not displaying the BBS rules to the people who would need them the most would be, in nicer terms, a mistake. Besides the obvious shortfalls involving certain users taking advantage of it, there are liability issues that could get the website in trouble. Good thing that's a lock for something that won't change.

we can invest in a feature we can throw pies at each other instead of flamming

At 6/3/09 02:20 AM, mwmike wrote:

At 5/31/09 11:27 AM, Luis wrote: The backseat modding thing is the one that gets me. I have never heard of a more absurd reason to ban people.

I've never really liked this rule, but because it was taken too far, rather than that it's generally a bad rule. A lot of the time I've spoken to users who have been banned for backseat modding for making a mere suggestion to a user...

IN regards to back-seat moderation...

Personally I think there is a massive difference between someone saying "Yo, you should post this in a more appropriate forum, here is a link" and "Wrong forum, you are going to get banned lol".

If I see someone being helpful and directing an inexperienced user to the right forum, there is no way in hell I'm going to ban them. That would just be ludicrous. The rule is in place to prevent +1 posting nonsense, such as:

"Lets see how long it takes for the OP to be banned".
"I'm posting here even though I know this thread will be deleted".
"Prepare to be banned".
"Lock".

ETC, ETC.

.........

But thats just obvious. Like pretty much all our rules here, it's all about CONTEXT. I know some of you are craving black and white definitions of things, but when you are dealing with an internet forum and human beings in general, nothing is black and white. Each case must be viewed individually.

To everyone whining and carrying on in this thread...

The double standards are never going to go away. They are an integral part of life. To anyone getting all worked up, I would suggest taking a step back, removing your head from your arsehole, and realising you are talking about posting/getting banned on a BBS.

IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.

Yes. I'm sure these forums would run more smoothly if all the moderators took advice from the userbase on how to do their job.

But don't mind me, I'm old and bitter. Please continue.

At 5/31/09 11:00 AM, Jonas wrote: I'm not going to ban anyone posting in here provided you act civil.

ahahhahaha

Stuff like this reminds me why I keep coming here. Its a barrel o' laughs.